REFLECTOR: PUSHER PROP

Sun Nov 8 18:18:54 CST 2009

I always like to hear Dave's input on the MT's. Feeling like a broken
record yet Dave?

David wrote:
> I have been running a MT prop since 2004 and have not had any
> Maintenance costs on the prop. I am running a Chevy V-8.
> Dave B
> N350TX
> /-------Original Message-------/
> /*From:*/ Keith Hallsten <mailto:KeithHallsten at quiknet.com>
> /*Date:*/ 11/8/2009 4:38:14 PM
> /*To:*/ 'Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list'
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> /*Subject:*/ Re: REFLECTOR: PUSHER PROP
>
> It’s pretty hard to fault Rene’s logic here. It is an indisputable
> fact that the AeroComposites prop is much more reliable and durable
> (damage resistant) than the MT.
>
> In addition, AeroComposites has been widely reported to be very
> customer-friendly, while MT has produced numerous reports of customer
> service problems (unhappy customers). So the real question is, how
> does the actual cost of ownership compare? I suspect that one you have
> paid to have your MT fixed a couple of times you will find that it
> would have been cheaper to just buy a better prop in the first place.
>
> I’m actually going with a fixed-pitch Catto, so I don’t have a dog in
> the hunt as far as CS props go. Like the AeroComposites, the Catto
> props are reputed to be very damage-resistant, which is a key
> consideration when the prop follows, rather than precedes, the airframe.
>
> Keith Hallsten
>
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> *From:* reflector-bounces at tvbf.org [mailto:reflector-bounces at tvbf.org]
> *On Behalf Of *Rene Dugas
> *Sent:* Sunday, November 08, 2009 11:35 AM
> *To:* Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list
> *Subject:* Re: REFLECTOR: PUSHER PROP
>
> I asked myself what item's failure would kill my family or friends?
> The list was long but what big items would I be embarassed about or
> worse, to have skimped on? My answers: Engine - remanufactured 0 time
> Lycoming IO-540, Garmin GPS and Com and the best prop I can afford.
> The Garmin 430 was $13,000 back when purchased it so the AeroComposite
> was only slightly higher than the new MT I flew for over three hundred
> hours. The MT was always beat up and I repaired it five times and
> repainted six times and had it totally rebuilt before I sold it
> because I was not comfortable selling it as is. I then asked myself
> why I tolerated the MT so long? Because before the AC, it was the best
> I could do. We all ask these questions or should. Our answers differ
> but we live or die as pilots on each one of these. My family knows I
> build and fly with the best I can get and if I am found in a smoking
> hole it was probably my flying skills and not the plane or purchases
> that got me there.
>
> Your mileage will vary but three thousand more for the best I can get
> is certainly reasonable to me.
>
> When I wrote the check I felt the pain but I'm still glad I did it.
> Please check out the web site. It may be better than insurance.
>
> Rene' Dugas
>
> Sent from my iPhone 3GS
>
>
> On Nov 8, 2009, at 2:49 PM, "Lou Stedman" <stedmanlou at roadrunner.com
> <mailto:stedmanlou at roadrunner.com>> wrote:
>
> I agree. 15K for 8 knots?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> *From:* Andrew Ellzey <mailto:ajlz72756 at yahoo.com>
>
> *To:* Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list
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>
> *Sent:* Sunday, November 08, 2009 6:38 AM
>
> *Subject:* Re: REFLECTOR: PUSHER PROP
>
> Thats a lot of money to spend for a prop.
>
> Andy
>
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> *From:* Rene Dugas <dugasd at bellsouth.net <mailto:dugasd at bellsouth.net>>
> *To:* Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list <reflector at tvbf.org
> <mailto:reflector at tvbf.org>>
> *Sent:* Sat, November 7, 2009 5:33:29 PM
> *Subject:* Re: REFLECTOR: PUSHER PROP
>
> I think mine was 15 k. Lead was 4 months years ago. Gained 500 ft min
> climb and 8 knot at cruise. Blade cross section is much thinner and
> blades are MUCH STONGER. I'm very pleased. I am unaware of specific
> testing for harmonics with my io 540 260 hp.
>
> Rene' Dugas
>
> Sent from my iPhone 3GS
>
>
> On Nov 7, 2009, at 5:26 PM, Andrew Ellzey <ajlz72756 at yahoo.com
> <mailto:ajlz72756 at yahoo.com>> wrote:
>
> Rene,
>
> How much is a hydraulic AeroComposite prop for an XLRG 300hp IO540,
> and what is the normal lead time for delivery? Is the cruse speeds
> comparable to the MT. Has anyone done a harmonic vibration analysis on
> this prop airframe combination.
>
> Andy Ellzey
>
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> *From:* Rene Dugas <dugasd at bellsouth.net <mailto:dugasd at bellsouth.net>>
> *To:* Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list <reflector at tvbf.org
> <mailto:reflector at tvbf.org>>
> *Sent:* Wed, November 4, 2009 7:12:30 PM
> *Subject:* Re: REFLECTOR: PUSHER PROP
>
> I did the reverse.
>
> Rene’
>
> pics
>
> *From:* reflector-bounces at tvbf.org <mailto:reflector-bounces at tvbf.org>
> [mailto:reflector-bounces at tvbf.org] *On Behalf Of *Darrell & Nora Kufalk
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 04, 2009 5:02 PM
> *To:* Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list
> *Subject:* Re: REFLECTOR: PUSHER PROP
>
> I like my AeroComposites prop so much, I painted my entire airplane to
> match it. :)
>
> 110 hours and going strong.
>
> Darrell
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> *From:* Rene Dugas <mailto:dugasd at bellsouth.net>
>
> *To:* 'Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list'
> <mailto:reflector at tvbf.org>
>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 04, 2009 2:08 PM
>
> *Subject:* Re: REFLECTOR: PUSHER PROP
>
> Love my AeroComposite. Please consider one.
>
> Rene’
>
> *From:* reflector-bounces at tvbf.org <mailto:reflector-bounces at tvbf.org>
> [mailto:reflector-bounces at tvbf.org] *On Behalf Of *Jmbmitch33
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 04, 2009 9:12 AM
> *To:* Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list
> *Subject:* Re: REFLECTOR: PUSHER PROP
>
> I need a hydrolic MT and the MT that I was using has been working fine
> for just over 500+ hours. If yours is hydrolic, what would you take
> for me to sweep it off your floor??..lol. I would like to call you if
> you could give me your number...
>
> Thanks
>
> Mitch
>
> ----- Original Message -----
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> *From:* HYTEC45 at aol.com <mailto:HYTEC45 at aol.com>
>
> *To:* reflector at tvbf.org <mailto:reflector at tvbf.org>
>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 04, 2009 9:59 AM
>
> *Subject:* Re: REFLECTOR: PUSHER PROP
>
> In a message dated 11/3/2009 6:10:12 PM Pacific Standard Time,
> Jmbmitch33 at comcast.net <mailto:Jmbmitch33 at comcast.net> writes:
>
> Hello everyone, looking for a MT 3 blade prop for a LYC IO360....any
> advice on where to look without breaking the bank?......Or, does
> anyone have another brand they like other than MT??
>
> Thanks
>
> M.Brown
>
> What type, electric or hydraulic? Is the engine counterweighted? I
> have invested over 18K in my mt for my IO-360-C1C over the past 8
> years with still no workable prop. It sits again on my hanger floor
> fresh from overhaul with new blades and that is where it will stay.
> Even though it's zero time at this point, I could not sleep at night
> pushing it off on someone. I have come to the conclusion that the 180'
> firing pulses on the 360 (200hp) without counterweights are to violent
> for the bearing/seal design of the mt as this is what fails after
> approximately 40-50 hours.
>
> Run Forest; Run!!
>
> A friend with a cozy running a IO-360 is running the Aerocomposit with
> good results.
>
> FYI,
>
> TEC
>
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